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type-14
Joined: May 02 2006 Posts: 206 Location: Florida Panhandle
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: A couple of 99 long |
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Here are couple of Type-99’s for ya Trey. As I was telling you 592 I found maybe ten years ago at a show in Gulf Port and then of course 591 shows up and as you know I just had to pick it up.
Outside of the those minor cracks in the stock of 591 they look about the same. I’m making up data sheets for you but did want to pass on that the rear sight spring, bolt release, ejector and trigger are all straw parts. Everything else is blue except the chrome face on the bolts. Both bolts match however the safety is #592 over stamp of #412. As you know the cleaning rod in 591 is repro and the rod in #592 is a standard Type-99 short rifle rod 23 ¾ inch. Thanks for getting #591 off the table for me and I’ve got to starting bring my rifle list with me when I make those road trips.
I've tried to show the difference in manufacturing techniques even though these two were on the production table at the same time. Notice that front is pinned on 592 but not on 591 and also look at the floor plate and trigger guard differences between the two. I did this surprising.
Enjoy the photos.
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arisakadogs
Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Dale, as I mentioned on your Gunboards post, the front sight and floor plate assy have been replaced. Still, finding consecutive numbers is cool as hell.
I got excoriated on the other board for mentioning this
I'd, in return, expect you or anyone else to mention any "problems" with something I posted. Nice matchup! _________________ "A woman, a dog & and a walnut tree. The more ya beat em, the better they be" (From "The Red Bagde of Courage") |
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DEFUC
Joined: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 200 Location: UP of michigan
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nice rifles,very cool.....now what does excoriated mean ? ciant ya'all just use plain engrish fer us simple folks....to many high fallutin words these days, its all Bovine excerement (bullshit) |
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type-14
Joined: May 02 2006 Posts: 206 Location: Florida Panhandle
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Rob, The reason for posting photos of those two areas if that I feel the same as you that someone at some place in time replaced those parts. What I would like to know if it was an arsenal job, field job or post war in all lilely hood we will never know. I do wish the rifles carried some type of rework mark like many of the Nambus do. |
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arisakadogs
Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Don, I may be wrong but I doubt that many, if any, T-99s were re-worked. Most likely it had a messed up front sight & trigger guard and someone tried to "improve" it. The T-99s just didn't have the long service life of the T-38s that would have led to re-works. The front sight certainly would have not been left un pinned.
I came close to a consecutive pair of Nagoya longs a while back myself. I have 3450 and had 3455. 3455 had a plugged barrel that would have been disasterous for anyone trying to shoot it without checking it. I've since sold it. Of course the buyer had full knowledge of the plug.
I also used to have 3044 and saw 3042 at the Tulsa show back in the '80s. _________________ "A woman, a dog & and a walnut tree. The more ya beat em, the better they be" (From "The Red Bagde of Courage") |
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arisakadogs
Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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DEFUC wrote: | Nice rifles,very cool.....now what does excoriated mean ? ciant ya'all just use plain engrish fer us simple folks....to many high fallutin words these days, its all Bovine excerement (bullshit) |
Nice way of saying I got my ass reamed.  _________________ "A woman, a dog & and a walnut tree. The more ya beat em, the better they be" (From "The Red Bagde of Courage") |
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gwsiii
Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: pics |
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Dale, sorry, been yardworking most of the day the footballing with the boy. The front sight is a replacement, I'd guess that its a restored sporter. I don't think any 99s really got reworked, I sort of think the 'D' loops were replaced with 'A's where they could find them but that's about it. But still for no more than you have in it, that's pretty great! Trey _________________ Subscribe to BANZAI!
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03man
Joined: Jul 30 2005 Posts: 131 Location: Denver, NC
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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'D loops'?, speaka' da' inglish' please. _________________ 03man |
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riceone
Joined: Aug 22 2003 Posts: 86 Location: Mississippi Delta
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Adog, how was the barrel pluged you mentioned. Was it a solid plug the exact size of the barrel driven in where the barrel had been cut off even with the front sight? And had a dimple to look a bit like a hole in the end. riceone. |
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arisakadogs
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Roy, I'm not sure I understand your question. The plug was just forward of the rear sight & the barrel looked like it had been heated externally over the plug. The barrel had not been cut off. _________________ "A woman, a dog & and a walnut tree. The more ya beat em, the better they be" (From "The Red Bagde of Courage") |
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riceone
Joined: Aug 22 2003 Posts: 86 Location: Mississippi Delta
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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That then was not the one I was referring to. I replaced a barrel in a rifle that someone had cut the barrel off smooth with the front of the front sight. Then took a peice of steel rod turned it to the correct diameter and turn about 1/4" down to drive into the bore of the rifle. They had also drilled a shallow dimple in the end to look like the bore. The drove it into the barrel and it looked like an original rifle. Just looking at it casually you would never have caught it. People do the oddest things. riceone |
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gwsiii
Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: loop |
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Don, sorry, 'D' Loop sling swivel, I meant I think they replaced 'D' style loop rear sling swivels (for use with gas mask in place, not necessarily cavalry use as commonly referred to) with the stronger more 'efficient' 'A' style rear sling swivel. Trey _________________ Subscribe to BANZAI!
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03man
Joined: Jul 30 2005 Posts: 131 Location: Denver, NC
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Trey,
I was confused because I could not relate the D swivel to the 99 long.
Never saw a long with a D swivel. _________________ 03man |
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gwsiii
Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: swivel |
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Ok, I didn't mean in reference to the 99 long. Sorry for the confusion. Trey _________________ Subscribe to BANZAI!
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