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Garandshtr · Joined: Dec 27 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Palm Harbor, FL

Well, it's been overcast and rainy here in sunny Florida since last Saturday. That isn't supposed to happen. I've been planning to take these pictures in the sunlight. I'm not very patient. Take a look at this, and tell me what it is, please.

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Mike Rockhill · Joined: Jan 09 2006 Posts: 58 Location: SE Pennsylannia

Nothing special. standard bayonet made by toyoda automatic loom works
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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Ditto what Mike said, the rarer versions are the earlier ones with hooked cross guard, bright blade, and the point on the top of the second arsenal mark (pointy top toyoda automatic loom) and the late true pole bayonets. The blade on that one looks pretty good, is it blued or bright? Trey
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Garandshtr · Joined: Dec 27 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Palm Harbor, FL

Well, the "nothing special" was an interesting comment, nonetheless.
Anyway, I wasn't really looking for anything rare, just something representative of a WW II Type 30 bayonet that would conceivably "go" with my Type 99 (which I'm planning to post pictures of later). I understand that most any Type 30 bayonet would be correct, but for reasons of my own twisted little brain, I was hoping to find one produced during the war, or thereabouts. I'm not a bayonet guy, and don't plan to become one at this point.
Back to the real subject. This one has a blued blade, fairly worn finish, steel scabbard, with a couple of serious dents out towards the tip. Not enough to interfere with the insertion or removal, though. Did this arsenal produce a lot of bayonets? Anyone know when they were in operation? If I'm asking some questions that irritate, accept my apology in advance. I don't have any doc on bayonets!
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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Sorry Mark, didnt' mean to come off badly. That is a good match for a late type 38 or early type 99. I don't know that Toyoda Automatic Loom produced a lot in that configuration, blued fullered blade, contoured grips, birds head pommel, and screws in grips, but I also don't know how that configuration from the arsenal compares with the same at others rarity wise. Trey
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Francis C. Allan · Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Markings variation

Of interest is that this is the 2nd variation of the 3 known variations in the markings used by Toyoda Automatic Loom Works (a somewhat distant relative of today's Toyota, the auto maker).

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Garandshtr · Joined: Dec 27 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Palm Harbor, FL

Thanks, Frank!
Any idea what timeframe this example came from? Or possibly where I might look?
Not sure I want to spend too much on another book though. I may have to just leave it alone, and try to to cut myself!
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Mike Rockhill · Joined: Jan 09 2006 Posts: 58 Location: SE Pennsylannia

my appologies for the above. I'll try to be a bit more helpful this time. As far as dating this example goes, I am not sure that there is any rough estimates on bayonets as there is with rifles. The info is likely there but it hasn't been tackled with the same regard yet. My guess would be very early in the war (In saying that I mean the US involvement 1941-1945) maybe just before. there is a misnomer that hooked guard bayonets are early war and this would be a mid war and then the various late war models. In the type 99 manual dated 1941 the illustration shows a bayonet identical to your variation, and the illustrations were likley drawn up much earlier, making it a great example for either a type 38 or an earlier type 99, although being early means it went through the whole war and could be found on any rifle. This is my best guess.
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Francis C. Allan · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: Dating

It is difficult, if not impossible, to date this bayonet. Mike has it correct as far as is known presently. It might be an interesting area of research for the future. It could be possible to back into approximate production dates. I did that on the Type 38 and never want to try that topic again. It can be a major brain teaser and would involve a lot of guess work coupled with only a few known facts.

I went to the Lakeland Florida Gun Show this past weekend and was shocked by bayonet prices. A Naval Special bayo with a rubberized scabbard for $385. I need one but just could not bring myself to pay anything like that. Either I am getting too old and crotchity or inflation has moved me to the poor part of the population.

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Garandshtr · Joined: Dec 27 2007 Posts: 109 Location: Palm Harbor, FL

Thanks to all, in any case. If we can't narrow it down, I won't lose any sleep over not knowing. I have one with the hooked quillion too, and I'll try to post a picture of that later.
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