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Francis C. Allan · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: Unidentified Siamese Revolver

I realize that this is a bit off topic, but I am hoping that someone can help identify the revolver in the attached photos. It surfaced during the Siamese Mauser research. A collector of Siamese weapons has it. It clearly has a Simese/Thai Army property stamp and assigned number.

Any help would be appreciated.

Frank

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oopy38 · Joined: Aug 27 2003 Posts: 80

It greatly favors the British Webley. What caliber is it?

Francis C. Allan · Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: revolver

Aound 10mm.

Frank
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DEFUC · Joined: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 200 Location: UP of michigan

Warnant revolver ,belgian .455 webley short

gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

From: Warnant Revolver page

Francis C. Allan · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: Siamese revolver

The revolver has two inspection marks on the rt side of the frame. These are the capital letter P below a star. The only reference I can find on an inspection stamp like this from its application on French weapons.

Maybe the French made these revolvers also? Can anyone elaborate on this?

Frank
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DEFUC · Joined: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 200 Location: UP of michigan

Im dont know a reference for the crown P proof, but its seen fairly often on Belgian pistols of the period..I belive (for whatever thats worth) its a varient inspection proof P for pistol, possibly related to the powder as the change from BP thru nitro and on to smokeless was in that period also. The crown P proof is pretty common on revolvers often right near/below the "crown-egg" leige proof, whatever it stands for.

Francis C. Allan · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: Siamese rev

Dear DEFUC;

Thanks. The inspection stamp actually is a clear capital letter P with a five-pointed star placed over it. I have a list of inspection marks that notes that this is a French inspection mark, but I see it on some Belgian pistols also. Maybe they both used similar inspection / proof marks.

Someone on a Belgian site suggested I look for more Belgian marks on the back of the cylinder. Unfortuneately the revolver is in Alaska and my friend who owns it is not a frequent internet user, so it will have to wait for me to visit my son up there again. On a Belgian site they do picture one of these revolvers with the "crown-egg" stamp on the back of the cylinder.

I'll let you know what I find out later.

Thanks again for your help.

Frank
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DEFUC · Joined: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 200 Location: UP of michigan

Both the last 2 warrants I saw on the auction sites(neither was a japanese contract gun far as i could tell) had belgian proofs (egg) on the cylinder, I think that may be the only proof on the one listed recently.... ILL keep looking and reading too, as my interests currently are directed to late 19th early 20th revolvers and carbines...

roadmouse · Joined: Oct 17 2010 Posts: 7

I think I can help here, being Belgian makes it easy
P with a crown is used between 12-30-1853 till 01-26-1877 (this could be anny letter from A to Z ) and is the personel stamp of the proofmaster.
to make sure its a Belgian proofed gun look for an oval with the letters ELG this stamp stands for epreuve liege.
wish I would know how to post pictures here or I would post all proofmarks there are[/img]

gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

roadmouse, email me the photos, I'll post them. Thanks for helping, Trey
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roadmouse · Joined: Oct 17 2010 Posts: 7

Trey e mail send.
reminds me I need to send you a Arisaka datasheet so 2 e mails inbound.
Alain

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Images from roadmouse...Much Thanks....appreciate the datasheets as well, every little bit helps!

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Francis C. Allan · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: Revovler

Dear Roadhouse and gwsiii;

Thanks for your thoughts and especially the list of inspection/proof marks. It is a bit better than what I have in my files.

However, the inspection mark in question is the letter P with STAR above it rather than a crown. If you enlarge the photo, you can see it up near to forward part of the receiver and again down near the Siamese markings. Both are turned 90 degrees to the right / parallel to the barrel. I can not find that mark in any reference that I have.

When I look at and photographed the revolver, I did not notice the normal ELG in an oval that would have clued me in that it surely was Belgium. I will travel back to Alaska in June to attend my son's wedding and will get another chance to look this over and photograph it again. I'll be sure to look at the back of the cylinder where I understand the ELG in an oval should be stamped on this revolver. I'll let you know what I find.

Thanks again for your help.

Frank
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roadmouse · Joined: Oct 17 2010 Posts: 7

ok P star, yep missed that one, it still is a proof master mark, the letter with CROWN was used from 1853 till 1877 the letter with STAR was used from 01-27-1877 till 02-26-1968