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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

This is a bright blade Nagoya bayonet, I don't see a lot of them in good shape. It is JB 75 according to Japanese Bayonets by Larry Johnson. The series mark on the pommel indicates the 45th series, with a serial number of 2121, so if series mark and serial number are put together, 4502121 is the complete serial number. I'm not sure I like that designation though. I prefer bayonet 2121 from the 45th series.
If you look closely, you'll see imperfections in the arsenal mark stamp. I guess the die was bad.

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Jareth · Joined: Sep 21 2003 Posts: 65 Location: Queens, New York

Nice bayonet Trey. I agree with the serial number seperate from the series. Now you need the blued blade variation which is a bit more difficult to find.

gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Jareth, thank you for the compliment. I'm going through my bayonets for inventory purposes. Takehito had sent me a spread sheet of how he catalogs his bayonets, and I sort of liked the way it was layed out. I started doing mine in a similar fashion once I figured out how to read the hiragana and translate it into 'southern barbarian' (Namban). I have some blued Nagoyas, but I don't know what series' and whether or not any have the bad die strike. Trey
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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

I have one example of a bright Nagoya and one blue Nagoya. The bright blade is a series 40 #75055 and the blue blade is a series 49 #14411.

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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Rob those are nice looking bayonets!

I've gone through a few more, Nagoya with blued blades, I have:
47th series 50088
49th series 10462 and 21285
and one more that is minty, but the pommel is beat all to hell, I can't see the series mark and can only make out 354 of the serial number. I don't know if they are the first numbers or the last numbers of the serial number, but it is a pretty one except for that. Trey
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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

Thanks Trey,
The bright one is pretty well in mint condition. It came with a like condition 28th series Nagoya T-38 (#365). I bought it about 10 years ago from a dealer that just got it & another rifle from the vet that brought it back. Wish I'd have asked for bringback info! Did get the bayonet & rifle for $265! Very Happy

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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Here's another bright blade Nagoya Type 30 Bayonet. It does not, have a series mark preceding the serial number, so I guess it makes it earlier than the previous one. They are quite different in design and markings. Note difference in Fuller (blood groove) design, arsenal die stamp and the difference in the inspection marks on the pommel. Each bayonet's pics are beneath the shot of the pommel serial number. Any comments?

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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

You must, absolutely, sell me your "no-series" bayonet as soon as possible! Shocked

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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Thought you were part of a 12 step program to get a house and getting out of the 'business' temporarily? Duly noted....Trey
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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

I'm not getting out of the hobby, I'm just downsizing & generating funds to pay off some nagging debt & hopefully, land this house. I still might pick up an item here & there.
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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Been there, done that, will probably be doing it again. The last two pistols I bought, I only held on to for a few hours, got rid of them before I got too attached to them....
Hi, My name is Trey, I started reading Military Rifles of Japan and Military Pistols of Japan in 1993......Everyone says I'm still in denial, but I embrace it. Trey
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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

Yep, these boards are like an AA meeting where you go to brag about your latest binge! Embarassed

My new (non all Nagoya) direction has let me put together this nice selection of the three main T-44 variations. Here is a Tokyo, a Kokura & a Nagoya. I still love this stuff!

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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

Very nice, if they ever need a new home, let me know, I have a special place for these unique cavalry rifles. Trey
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arisakadogs · Joined: Oct 05 2003 Posts: 191

I did just sell an early Nagoya 2nd series #723. Hated to part with it as it came from the late Ike Kessler collection. I'll be hanging onto these three. The top & bottom ones still have their rods in the butt trap.
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gwsiii · Joined: Aug 21 2003 Posts: 2240 Location: Hayden, AL

I was wondering about the shape of the fullers on the non-series marked blade, and how it reminds me of the fullers that you seen on trainers. I wonder if Nagoya made the training bayonets first, then got in to 'production' bayonets for a small 'test' run and just kept the same fuller design. Ray, you need to make sure that Martha addresses that in her book.... Wink

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